Writer Mod Date & Time PARTITION: Tape 27 (cont) 255MODEM 255MODEM May 12 09:37 Side B ISHTIAQ AZHAR ... elderly MQM Senator; lives near to MQM HQ in Karachi; left Kanpur in India when aged c 17 on orders of father; talks disparagingly about overnight Pakistanis - interviewed in his home in Karachi on 5 Jan 1997 10 - born in Kanpur, on 3/5/24; involved in ML in 45, then a journalist 82 - [think of staying in India?] 'I did try ... but unf you will rem'r that the QeA had asked the M employees of various organ'ns to opt for Pak; my father was an emp'ee of the r'ways ... at the request of the QeA, he opted to serve for Pak ... I initially refused to come, but my father sd if you do not go with me to Pak, I will also not go; that was the main compul's for me to migrate with my father' 109 - 'I landed in K'chi cos the route thro Delhi to Lahore was in danger; all the special trains which were originating in Delhi ... were being butchered'; went via Allahabad, Bombay then by sea reaching Karachi on 29 Oct 47 130 - [Ms in K'pur] 'they were trying to migrate cos there life and property was in danger '; has visited relations in Kanpur, inc uncle and aunt ; other family in Etawah 194 - 'I am not a person who can disown his past; for this reason I still bel that the creation of Pak was a nec'ty cos of the H/Brit axis against the Ms ... ' (and ref to 'when we ruled India' - meaning Mughals) 220 - [partn] 'it was not our doing' 238 - 'Kchi was in a mood to welcome the people; the people of Sindh in part welcomed the Muh's with open arms ... we occ'd only those places which were vacated by the H migrants; H migrants from this par of Pak to I were able to get 100% of their prop ... but we when we came to Pak to date were given only 25% of the land and 27% of the houses and shops' 257 - initially lived in refugee camp, railway camp; after a day or two shifted to a hotel; then a bldg, then rented, then bought a bldg; resumed working as a j'list 287 - 'the life was not v good, but it was at that time a feeling of deedication ... had this feeliong been channelised properly, it would have [reduced] the journey of years into months ... excitement, and sacrifice, unf that feeling, the spirit, was not properly utilised' 303 - 'we tolerated all sorts of injustices ... till 78 when in Kchi a gp of young dedicated Muh students organised into All Pak Mhjr students' organisation 325 - 'if any rel'n of my mine at the moment living in India asks to come to Pak and seeks my advice, my advice will be the same ... the rem'ng members of my family are v well to do these days, why they sd come and be engulfed in the petty politics of the present day Pak leaders ...' 334 - 'Pak has failed in the sense that people who bel in the idea of Pk were thrown away by the sons of the soil ... those who opposed Pak at that time camouflaged them'ves' 350 - '-Pak has not let us down; sons of the soil have betrayed