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“...people but not to the security, "it doesn't make sense" to remain secretive to people while security knew about us, so that's what happened. N. P: May I ask you about March 9th? You were with them from the beginning? M. A: Yes, from the early beginning. N. P: Where did the idea for March 9th came from? M.A: Look, it started in 2003 after the war on Iraq, there were protests and there was a movement at the university, students' protests against the war on Iraq and whatnot. And then it started as a rally that turned into a number of rallies every week, every Tuesday of each week by the faculty staff in Cairo University against the war on Iraq... they continued for a while, until April, for a month and a half or so. Every week we would regularly gather carrying picket signs and stand on the stairs and whatnot, and then the group that did that regularly met and decided to do something about the independence of the university... in the sense that the security wouldn't control the recruitment...”