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British or Chinese? Stories of Migration, Family and Identity

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British or Chinese? Stories of Migration, Family and Identity a film
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SOAS University of London. China Institute
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London
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SOAS University of London
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2017
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English
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Families ( lcsh )
Emigration and immigration ( lcsh )
Chinese -- Migrations ( lcsh )
National characteristics ( lcsh )
家庭
中國人 -- 移民
中国人 -- 移民
移民出境
外來移民
外来移民
Spatial Coverage:
Asia -- China
Asia -- Hong Kong
Europe -- United Kingdom
亚洲 -- 中国
亚洲 -- 香港
欧洲 -- 英国
亞洲 -- 中國
亞洲 -- 香港
歐洲 -- 英國
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35 x 103
22.3 x 114.2
55 x -3

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This film shows reconstructed life history interviews from the, SOAS China Institute exhibition titled "British or Chinese? Stories of Migration, Family and Identity" which was held at the China Exchange from 23 May until 20 June 2017. -- When Britain commenced maritime trade with Qing dynasty China in the late 17th century, the first Chinese migrants came as sailors aboard East India Company ships and lived in London near the docks. Since then, the Chinese who have come to make their home in Britain have journeyed from the expansive Chinese Diaspora, with diverse origins, and distinct dialects and customs. This exhibition builds upon the interviews with people of Chinese ethnic origin in the UK and documents their stories in migration, family and identity making.
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This video was recorded on 30 May 2017

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British or Chinese?
Stories of Migration, Family and Identity

SOAS University of London
China Institute

Published on May 30, 2017
This film shows reconstructed life history interviews from the, SOAS China Institute exhibition titled "British or Chinese? Stories of Migration, Family and Identity" which was held at the China Exchange from 23 May until 20 June 2017.

When Britain commenced maritime trade with Qing dynasty China in the late 17th century, the first Chinese migrants came as sailors aboard East India Company ships and lived in London near the docks. Since then, the Chinese who have come to make their home in Britain have journeyed from the expansive Chinese Diaspora, with diverse origins, and distinct dialects and customs. This exhibition builds upon the interviews with people of Chinese ethnic origin in the UK and documents their stories in migration, family and identity making.



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"Chinese Twilight" by Klaus Schnning (Google Play iTunes)

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0:03 [Music]
0:24 Soyoung thank you so much for coming to
0:27 talk to us today can you tell us and to
0:30 start with about your early memories
0:32 your childhood your background where
0:34 your phone yes I was born in 1950 in new
0:39 territory in Hong Kong in a rural area
0:42 to a big family I don't have particular
0:47 spiritual memories for the time until I
0:50 was 10 my parent had 10 children four
0:56 boys and six girls my father was a
1:00 driver he delivered local ghosts to in
1:05 Hong Kong
1:06 nothing big is a small business my
1:13 mother was a housewife she needed to do
1:18 everything at home and she need to water
1:22 the plants vegetables and feed the
1:25 chickens and vert the pigs and some more
1:29 small pay jobs for the neighbors and
1:33 friends and all our brothers sister
1:37 helped out and nobody else do you
1:41 remember yourself tough that you have to
1:44 yes I helped how I went to the well to
1:48 fetch the waters and a prayer a water
1:52 the vegetables and look after the
1:55 chickens and pigs yeah what with your
2:00 accommodations like our wind house and
2:03 we had two stories how a was quite a
2:09 spacious one
2:11 yes we need to share the rooms but I
2:16 cannot remember anything we argue all
2:19 five yeah and we have a very happy
2:23 household yeah I could no remember we
2:27 were hungry and the vegetable we grow we
2:30 be happy for ourselves I can show you
2:34 came to think about moving to the UK no
2:39 worth in that when I was twenty years
2:41 old
2:42 in 1970 I was introduced to my now
2:46 husband and my husband came to UK in
2:49 1965 and then in 1970 he went to Hong
2:54 Kong he's from the other village of a
2:57 new territory my place and I was
3:00 introduced to him after two years and we
3:04 got married and another two years and I
3:08 moved it to the UK come on
3:12 do you remember how you felt about about
3:15 coming to UK I mean had we ever left
3:17 Hong Kong had been to many other places
3:21 before that yes he was quite anxious and
3:25 exciting experience I had never been
3:30 outside of Hong Kong when I was in Hong
3:33 Kong the felt is phrase I went was in
3:36 Hong Kong Island
3:38 we went there once a month so when I
3:42 came to the UK I thought it was a good
3:46 decision
3:47 yeah but I didn't quite think is a brave
3:49 one but it just what happened and how
3:53 did you notice how did you communicate
3:55 with your family acting in Hong Kong I
3:59 we had a firm but at that time as Hong
4:03 Kong was very expensive so I roll it
4:07 back home my mother could not read or
4:11 write so my father I read the letters to
4:16 her
4:19 and and where did you live when you
4:21 first came to UK how I first came to the
4:24 UK up in London and then in 75 in each
4:28 year we Muthu brightest because my
4:30 husband decided is still working with
4:34 his brother then we work in the
4:39 restaurant in Brighton and my elder Brad
4:42 came to help Hong he came to the UK in
4:46 1966 and had you any kind of experienced
4:50 in catering or restaurant business
4:53 before yourself when I was in Hong Kong
4:56 no I didn't cook much in Hong Kong but
4:59 my husband cook oh yeah well and so as
5:03 my elder brother right and now can I
5:09 offer how you do you think that being
5:12 ethnically Chinese have affected your
5:14 life in decay in any way already have
5:17 the way I was I have been very busy
5:21 working 24 hours and 7 days yeah I had
5:27 occasionally rare experience of being
5:32 kind of having the racism were cool
5:34 chinky and less than I didn't have much
5:39 time to think like some of my Chinese
5:42 friend set yeah worth experience really
5:45 I have been always very busy and working
5:49 in the restaurant yeah and make friends
5:52 with our customers and our neighbors
5:55 right and working really home we didn't
5:58 have much shows your life to go outside
6:00 and I what about your children you see
6:04 yeah and I had two children yeah @j born
6:08 in 1976 and then later John my son they
6:13 knew we were worried hard your all for
6:17 them yeah and they my teacher did very
6:22 hard work in school in those days and in
6:27 their primaries
6:28 school and secondary school there were
6:30 no unknown there no Chinese for
6:35 everything you say with your imagine a
6:36 children that they were and talk about
6:40 their social do they have socialized
6:44 they they've been helping out with us
6:46 and did hard work in school they have
6:50 really pray days and day sometime it
6:54 didn't have many to say they didn't a
6:57 date yet they occasionally visit friends
7:02 when we never have any friends to come
7:04 to our house so photo children have now
7:08 grown up and have families of their own
7:10 can I ask you what your relationship now
7:13 is like with with their families yes my
7:17 daughter Jade and my son John and both
7:22 of them they married it non-chinese
7:24 my daughter Jai marry a German young man
7:29 and his family came to UK when he was 12
7:34 years old my son John Marius Scottish
7:38 Orleans and both of them they adopted
7:43 and I didn't interfere them their
7:48 choices because I thought they should
7:51 choose their happy life although some of
7:54 my Chinese friends asked me why not
7:57 and why you didn't try to stop the ruins
8:00 of them they D say
8:02 and once the UN said if their own
8:08 children marry non-Chinese or cut them
8:11 off but now they their children marry
8:14 non-Chinese and now my son and a wife
8:20 they're both doctors and my daughter a
8:24 lawyer and her husband is adopted I
8:29 could not imagine myself when I was in
8:33 Hong Kong they face some incredibly well
8:36 actually
8:37 thank you my office since you've been in
8:41 the UK in terms of language you have
8:43 your most recent function to Chinese or
8:45 in English house album album
8:49 I don't speak a good English but I can
8:53 read a bit and I listen I read a daily
8:58 paper English paper and I listen to
9:01 radio and TV right and socially
9:06 your life you didn't have much time for
9:08 a social life but I speak a hot guy at
9:11 home and my shows your life more with
9:14 the Hong Kong Chinese we have big
9:16 Cantonese yes okay and then so so you
9:21 then you're not only in the takeaway
9:24 business anymore that right I retired in
9:28 2012 yeah so now I'm having more time as
9:32 usual life and with my friends in the UK
9:38 and I okay a few years every few years I
9:41 go back to Hong Kong yeah
9:43 can I ask you how do you identify
9:45 yourself
9:48 I don't think I'm a Hong Kong Chinese
9:52 and more thing I'm a British Chinese and
9:55 si I've been here for so long and almost
9:59 my friends here speaking Chinese yeah
10:02 and I go back to Hong Kong a few years
10:06 in a time
10:08 also my children and and also the
10:13 cousins and they don't have close
10:15 contact because they didn't go to Hong
10:18 Kong very often but they they did
10:22 contact each other on emails and what's
10:25 up yeah
10:26 but not small teeny ously did you engage
10:28 in the future now that you know you are
10:30 retired maybe spending more time
10:32 I always get back to live in Hong Kong
10:34 because you have only about the siblings
10:37 and uncles do um I do visit Hong Kong a
10:41 few times a few years in this visit Hong
10:45 Kong many to see my parents the grades
10:48 and also siblings yes I don't expect my
10:53 real live in Hong Kong because I have my
10:55 children and grandchildren live in the
10:59 UK and I want to look after my
11:02 grandchildren thank you so much for for
11:06 sharing your memories in the story with
11:08 us today actually thank you thank you
11:13 [Music]
11:23 Jason thank you so much for coming to
11:26 talk to us today and we start off I am
11:28 hearing a bit about your family
11:30 background
11:31 yeah my father's from Hong Kong amande
11:33 mother's from mainland China and iguana
11:35 she products my father came here in the
11:37 1960s he started restaurant which we
11:39 still have now that my father's retired
11:42 my mother takes it over my mother came
11:44 to London in the 1990s they met in China
11:47 but they decided to move to London get
11:49 married here I have one brother two
11:52 stepbrothers and what stepsister my
11:54 father had with his previous wife and
11:57 you can I ask you how would you define
12:00 yourself interesting question I was
12:03 talking about little brother
12:04 19 years all about it and he would call
12:06 himself Chinese British but a lot of
12:08 people say British Chinese they feel
12:11 brother he would put more emphasis on on
12:14 the British side on his British side
12:15 Louisville and his Chinese side I think
12:18 he puts more emphasis on the British
12:20 side Chinese is the objective petitioner
12:23 man I don't know it depends how you view
12:25 touchless then what about you yourself
12:28 for me the names are really much so much
12:31 in my mind I had a spectrum one hand
12:34 super super Chinese on the other hand
12:36 super super super position for me I want
12:38 to be in the middle and get the best of
12:40 both then may be sort of a balance of
12:42 British Chinese
12:44 and do you feel that your definition of
12:46 your identity has changed over time I
12:49 think the general position is that we
12:51 want to be in between it's sometimes and
12:54 mostly by our parents really on the
12:56 pressure to be more Chinese but despite
12:58 that aspiration is perhaps to be more
13:00 Western more liberal more modern more
13:03 free so I think the question isn't about
13:05 definition the question is about where
13:07 we are and where we want to be and and
13:10 do you think that you're being
13:13 ethnically Chinese have affected your
13:15 life in general in the UK many people
13:19 have a pure heritage the heritage from
13:21 school for friends outside family and
13:24 the heritage from the family itself from
13:26 parents grandparents relatives and so on
13:28 it gives people a dual identity because
13:31 not only for example can I speak English
13:33 and also speak Chinese there's one
13:36 example how you identities different
13:38 identities different personalities
13:40 different languages different
13:42 perspectives different understandings of
13:44 politics culture history and I think for
13:47 me these two identities can coexist they
13:49 are not mutually exclusive sometimes
13:52 they can clash I guess but if you want
13:54 to be successful in our family life in a
13:56 career with people who have rural
13:57 heritage need to find methods find the
14:00 sort of balance synergy harmony between
14:02 the two because if you emphasize one
14:04 over the other then you have an
14:06 imbalance and it's not so good I think
14:07 and giving some more specific examples
14:11 of that yeah when I was in school when I
14:15 was younger when I looked around myself
14:17 and looked at my classmates my friends
14:19 they were all white they were all
14:21 different because as a young child won't
14:23 going to be very aware it's a very early
14:25 age we're a difference than panel I
14:27 really haven't had that much contact
14:29 with British born Chinese or Chinese who
14:30 grew up outside China but that changed
14:32 when I went to university because I want
14:34 around myself and my god they've seen
14:37 more Chinese in my life except for in
14:39 China perhaps despite the fact that they
14:41 looked like me maybe they dress like me
14:43 and studied the same citrus as me they
14:46 still was very different in the way they
14:48 interact the way they behave in public
14:49 the way they socialize outside of look
14:53 again I thought this is very strange and
14:55 there is a steric
14:56 these Chinese they always stay in their
14:58 own groups they don't integrate with the
15:00 society for me at that point I wanted to
15:03 exchange with them to explore what their
15:06 side of the story was so at that point
15:08 in time I became more Chinese than
15:10 British began speaking more wondering
15:12 more Cantonese going to karaoke rather
15:15 than going to the pub those sorts of
15:17 small changes and I think fundamentally
15:19 as part of the answer to your question
15:21 is the people you spend your time with
15:23 if you spend time with more Chinese
15:25 people than British people
15:27 you're going to be doing many things
15:28 very differently you socialize
15:30 differently you eat differently you
15:32 study differently you talk into
15:34 different language and you talk about
15:36 different topics you have different
15:38 social customs the different social
15:39 execute you need to observe by making
15:42 those small differences you begin to
15:43 move towards one side to be more Chinese
15:45 whereas if you hang out with more
15:47 British people and more international
15:49 people you move out to be more British
15:51 so this is what I mean when I talk about
15:54 where we are the spectrum and where we
15:56 would like to be in the future such as
15:59 now you refer to some of your Chinese
16:01 languages I just wanted us how did you
16:03 actually go about learning Mandarin and
16:07 Cantonese as well so although my mother
16:09 is from mainland in the south of China
16:12 many people speak Cantonese my father
16:14 because he's from Hong Kong
16:15 of course he speaks Cantonese so her
16:18 home I learn Cantonese and Mandarin it
16:21 wasn't so natural my parents had sent me
16:24 to Saturday schools and as I move
16:26 through school my school began offering
16:28 Kali classes so I did not have to go to
16:29 Saturday schools anymore because I could
16:31 play Chinese in my regular school and
16:33 then I continued to study Mandarin in
16:35 tea and to what extent do you think that
16:39 your language ability has affected your
16:41 Chinese identity
16:43 well in my view it's a method of
16:45 expressing ideas I don't think the
16:47 method would necessarily affect the idea
16:49 the idea is conveyed through the method
16:51 or the method is not influencing the
16:53 idea necessarily so I suppose they do
16:55 speak more and when I was speaking while
16:57 I was in my head rationalizing things in
17:00 terms of Chinese culture more so than I
17:02 would be if I spoke English suppose in
17:04 terms of how my identities
17:06 by other people externally people would
17:08 say oh look at Jason speaking Chinese is
17:11 my baby more Chinese and British and
17:13 that may be true but again I would say
17:16 it's adjustable it depends on moving
17:17 it's always moving it depends on what
17:20 you do depends on who you meet depends
17:23 on if you hang out with so I think
17:24 language isn't much of an impact on how
17:26 I perceive my identity we could be more
17:28 influential for people to see them
17:30 identity from outside definitely depends
17:33 on who you're with where you are and
17:34 kind of as does your family do
17:38 traditional Chinese activities at home
17:40 Federation assessable things we don't
17:43 toss their reports apart my chineseness
17:45 but even though they're an important
17:47 part of my chineseness they're not an
17:49 important part of me in my life there's
17:51 a difference there's an important part
17:53 of a small part of my life they have
17:56 more important to my family who don't
17:58 have this other heritage familiar and
18:00 out with friends to accompany SEO is
18:02 more important than eating dumplings on
18:03 mid-autumn festival my point is even
18:06 though I celebrate Li to Chinese things
18:08 with my family and they are important to
18:10 this idea but family being a harmonious
18:12 unit I will be fine in grid without them
18:15 I think my life will continue and all
18:18 members of your family in the UK my
18:22 extended family is my brothers younger
18:24 brother lives here with us in London my
18:26 mother's mother lives here too and some
18:28 of the members of my father's extended
18:30 family are here to the UK as well but
18:32 most of them appear in China and Hong
18:34 Kong and have you yourself been to China
18:37 yes we go there almost area and do you
18:42 think to your your future you may end up
18:46 in China Hong Kong or state prison all
18:50 or under and flow in the world for that
18:52 matter in all of them hopefully the next
18:54 step is to qualify as a lawyer there are
18:56 different areas I'm interested in that
18:59 would involve traveling to other
19:00 countries such as China Hong Kong one
19:02 area for example shipping the trade
19:04 trade on Hong Kong where the big players
19:06 of the economic stage in the world and
19:08 in terms of shipping trade a lot of
19:10 legal workers from these area
19:11 so yes I hope to travel there for long
19:14 term I don't think I will well work in
19:16 law for the rest of my life I want to
19:18 have a political career I believed to
19:21 increase representation from the British
19:23 community British Chinese community it's
19:26 important and this is something I would
19:28 contribute to you as a potential
19:30 decision maker in the future either as
19:32 an elected member of parliament or
19:33 within the civil service or some other
19:35 parts of the political system that's
19:38 something really interesting thank you
19:39 so much for sharing your story with us
19:41 thank you today thank you
19:49 [Music]
20:33 [Music]
21:15 Oh
21:18 [Music]
21:40 [Music]
21:54 [Music]
24:16 [Music]


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British or Chinese? Stories of Migration, Family and Identity SOAS University of London China Institute Published on May 30, 201 7 This film shows reconstructed life history interviews from the, SOAS China Institute exhibition titled "British or Chinese? Stories of Migration, Family and Identity" which was held at the China Exchange from 23 May until 20 June 2017. When Britain commenced maritime trade with Qing dynasty China in the late 17th century, the first Chinese migrants came as sailors ab oard East India Company ships and lived in London near the docks. Since then, the Chinese who have come to make their home in Britain have journeyed from the expansive Chinese Diaspora, with diverse origins, and distinct dialects and customs. This exhibiti on builds upon the interviews with people of Chinese ethnic origin in the UK and documents their stories in migration, family and identity making. Category Education License Standard YouTube License Music Transcript This transcript was generated by machine process and may contain errors. 0:0 3 ........... [Music] 0:2 4 ........... Soyoung thank you so much for coming to 0:2 7 ........... talk to us today can you tell us and to 0:3 0 ........... start with about your early memories 0:3 2 ........... your childhood your b ackground where 0:3 4 ........... your phone yes I was born in 1950 in new 0:3 9 ........... territory in Hong Kong in a rural area 0:4 2 ........... to a big family I don't have particular 0:4 7 ........... spiritual memories for the time until I 0:5 0 ........... was 10 my parent had 10 children four 0:5 6 ........... boys and six girls my father was a 1:0 0 ........... driver he delivered local ghosts to in 1:0 5 ........... Hong Kong 1:0 6 ........... nothing big is a small business my 1:1 3 ........... mother was a housewife she needed to do 1:1 8 ........... everything at home and she need to water 1:2 2 ........... the plants veg etables and feed the 1:2 5 ........... chickens and vert the pigs and some more 1:2 9 ........... small pay jobs for the neighbors and 1:3 3 ........... friends and all our brothers sister 1:3 7 ........... helped out and nobody else do you 1:4 1 ........... remember yourself tough that you have to 1:4 4 ........... yes I helped how I went to the well to 1:4 8 ........... fetch the waters and a prayer a water 1:5 2 ........... the vegetables and look after the

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1:5 5 ........... chickens and pigs yeah what with your 2:0 0 ........... accommodations like our wind house and 2:0 3 ........... we had two stories how a was quite a 2:0 9 ........... spacious one 2:1 1 ........... yes we need to share the rooms but I 2:1 6 ........... cannot remember anything we argue all 2:1 9 ........... five yeah and we have a very happy 2:2 3 ........... household yeah I could no remember we 2:2 7 ........... were hungry and the vegetable we grow we 2:3 0 ........... be ha ppy for ourselves I can show you 2:3 4 ........... came to think about moving to the UK no 2:3 9 ........... worth in that when I was twenty years 2:4 1 ........... old 2:4 2 ........... in 1970 I was introduced to my now 2:4 6 ........... husband and my husband came to UK in 2:4 9 ........... 1965 and then in 1970 he we nt to Hong 2:5 4 ........... Kong he's from the other village of a 2:5 7 ........... new territory my place and I was 3:0 0 ........... introduced to him after two years and we 3:0 4 ........... got married and another two years and I 3:0 8 ........... moved it to the UK come on 3:1 2 ........... do you remember how you felt about about 3:1 5 ........... coming to UK I mean had we ever left 3:1 7 ........... Hong Kong had been to many other places 3:2 1 ........... before that yes he was quite anxious and 3:2 5 ........... exciting experience I had never been 3:3 0 ........... outside of Hong Kong when I was in Hong 3:3 3 ........... Ko ng the felt is phrase I went was in 3:3 6 ........... Hong Kong Island 3:3 8 ........... we went there once a month so when I 3:4 2 ........... came to the UK I thought it was a good 3:4 6 ........... decision 3:4 7 ........... yeah but I didn't quite think is a brave 3:4 9 ........... one but it just what happened and h ow 3:5 3 ........... did you notice how did you communicate 3:5 5 ........... with your family acting in Hong Kong I 3:5 9 ........... we had a firm but at that time as Hong 4:0 3 ........... Kong was very expensive so I roll it 4:0 7 ........... back home my mother could not read or 4:1 1 ........... write so my father I read the letters to 4:1 6 ........... her 4:1 9 ........... and and where did you live when you 4:2 1 ........... first came to UK how I first came to the 4:2 4 ........... UK up in London and then in 75 in each 4:2 8 ........... year we Muthu brightest because my 4:3 0 ........... husband decided is still working with 4:3 4 ........... his brother then we work in the 4:3 9 ........... restaurant in Brighton and my elder Brad 4:4 2 ........... came to help Hong he came to the UK in 4:4 6 ........... 1966 and had you any kind of experienced 4:5 0 ........... in catering or restaurant business 4:5 3 ........... before yourself when I wa s in Hong Kong 4:5 6 ........... no I didn't cook much in Hong Kong but 4:5 9 ........... my husband cook oh yeah well and so as 5:0 3 ........... my elder brother right and now can I 5:0 9 ........... offer how you do you think that being 5:1 2 ........... ethnically Chinese have affected your

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5:1 4 ........... life in decay in any way already have 5:1 7 ........... the way I was I have been very busy 5:2 1 ........... working 24 hours and 7 days yeah I had 5:2 7 ........... occasionally rare experience of being 5:3 2 ........... kind of having the racism were cool 5:3 4 ........... chinky and less than I didn't have much 5 :3 9 ........... time to think like some of my Chinese 5:4 2 ........... friend set yeah worth experience really 5:4 5 ........... I have been always very busy and working 5:4 9 ........... in the restaurant yeah and make friends 5:5 2 ........... with our customers and our neighbors 5:5 5 ........... right and working re ally home we didn't 5:5 8 ........... have much shows your life to go outside 6:0 0 ........... and I what about your children you see 6:0 4 ........... yeah and I had two children yeah @j born 6:0 8 ........... in 1976 and then later John my son they 6:1 3 ........... knew we were worried hard your all for 6 :1 7 ........... them yeah and they my teacher did very 6:2 2 ........... hard work in school in those days and in 6:2 7 ........... their primaries 6:2 8 ........... school and secondary school there were 6:3 0 ........... no unknown there no Chinese for 6:3 5 ........... everything you say with your imagine a 6:3 6 ........... chi ldren that they were and talk about 6:4 0 ........... their social do they have socialized 6:4 4 ........... they they've been helping out with us 6:4 6 ........... and did hard work in school they have 6:5 0 ........... really pray days and day sometime it 6:5 4 ........... didn't have many to say they didn't a 6:5 7 ........... date yet they occasionally visit friends 7:0 2 ........... when we never have any friends to come 7:0 4 ........... to our house so photo children have now 7:0 8 ........... grown up and have families of their own 7:1 0 ........... can I ask you what your relationship now 7:1 3 ........... is like wi th with their families yes my 7:1 7 ........... daughter Jade and my son John and both 7:2 2 ........... of them they married it non chinese 7:2 4 ........... my daughter Jai marry a German young man 7:2 9 ........... and his family came to UK when he was 1 2 7:3 4 ........... years old my son John Marius Scott ish 7:3 8 ........... Orleans and both of them they adopted 7:4 3 ........... and I didn't interfere them their 7:4 8 ........... choices because I thought they should 7:5 1 ........... choose their happy life although some of 7:5 4 ........... my Chinese friends asked me why not 7:5 7 ........... and why you didn't try to stop the ruins 8:0 0 ........... of them they D say 8:0 2 ........... and once the UN said if their own 8:0 8 ........... children marry non Chinese or cut them 8:1 1 ........... off but now they their children marry 8:1 4 ........... non Chinese and now my son and a wife 8:2 0 ........... they're both doctors and my daughter a 8:2 4 ........... lawyer and her husband is adopted I 8:2 9 ........... could not imagine myself when I was in 8:3 3 ........... Hong Kong they face some incredibly well 8:3 6 ........... actually 8:3 7 ........... thank you my office since you've been in

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8:4 1 ........... the UK in terms of language you hav e 8:4 3 ........... your most recent function to Chinese or 8:4 5 ........... in English house album album 8:4 9 ........... I don't speak a good English but I can 8:5 3 ........... read a bit and I listen I read a daily 8:5 8 ........... paper English paper and I listen to 9:0 1 ........... radio and TV right and socially 9:0 6 ........... your life you didn't have much time for 9:0 8 ........... a social life but I speak a hot guy at 9:1 1 ........... home and my shows your life more with 9:1 4 ........... the Hong Kong Chinese we have big 9:1 6 ........... Cantonese yes okay and then so so you 9:2 1 ........... then you're not only in the takeaway 9:2 4 ........... business anymore that right I retired in 9:2 8 ........... 2012 yeah so now I'm having more time as 9:3 2 ........... usual life and with my friends in the UK 9:3 8 ........... and I okay a few years every few years I 9:4 1 ........... go back to Hong Kong yeah 9:4 3 ........... can I ask you how do you identify 9:4 5 ........... yourself 9:4 8 ........... I don't think I'm a Hong Kong Chinese 9:5 2 ........... and more thing I'm a British Chinese and 9:5 5 ........... si I've been here for so long and almost 9:5 9 ........... my friends here speaking Chinese yeah 10:0 2 ......... and I go back t o Hong Kong a few years 10:0 6 ......... in a time 10:0 8 ......... also my children and and also the 10:1 3 ......... cousins and they don't have close 10:1 5 ......... contact because they didn't go to Hong 10:1 8 ......... Kong very often but they they did 10:2 2 ......... contact each other on emails and what's 10:2 5 ......... up yeah 10:2 6 ......... but not small teeny ously did you engage 10:2 8 ......... in the future now that you know you are 10:3 0 ......... retired maybe spending more time 10:3 2 ......... I always get back to live in Hong Kong 10:3 4 ......... because you have only about the siblings 10:3 7 ......... and uncles do um I do visit Hong Kong a 10:4 1 ......... few times a few years in this visit Hong 10:4 5 ......... Kong many to see my parents the grades 10:4 8 ......... and also siblings yes I don't expect my 10:5 3 ......... real live in Hong Kong because I have my 10:5 5 ......... childr en and grandchildren live in the 10:5 9 ......... UK and I want to look after my 11:0 2 ......... grandchildren thank you so much for for 11:0 6 ......... sharing your memories in the story with 11:0 8 ......... us today actually thank you thank you 11:1 3 ......... [Music] 11:2 3 ......... Jason thank you so much for coming to 11:2 6 ......... talk to us today and we start off I am 11:2 8 ......... hearing a bit about your family 11:3 0 ......... background 11:3 1 ......... yeah my father's from Hong Kong amande 11:3 3 ......... mother's from mainland China and iguana 11:3 5 ......... she products my father came here in the 11:3 7 ......... 1960s he started restaurant which we 11:3 9 ......... still have now that my father's retired

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11:4 2 ......... my mother takes it over my mother came 11:4 4 ......... to London in the 1990s they met in China 11:4 7 ......... but they decided to move to London get 11:49 ......... married here I have one brother two 11:5 2 ......... stepbrothers and what stepsister my 11:5 4 ......... father had with his previous wife and 11:5 7 ......... you can I ask you how would you define 12:0 0 ......... yourself interesting question I was 12:0 3 ......... talking about little brother 12:0 4 ......... 19 years all about it and he would call 12:0 6 ......... himself Chinese British but a lot of 12:0 8 ......... people say British Chinese they feel 12:1 1 ......... brother he would put more emphasis on on 12:1 4 ......... the British side on his British side 12:1 5 ......... Louisville and hi s Chinese side I think 12:1 8 ......... he puts more emphasis on the British 12:2 0 ......... side Chinese is the objective petitioner 12:2 3 ......... man I don't know it depends how you view 12:2 5 ......... touchless then what about you yourself 12:2 8 ......... for me the names are really much so much 12:3 1 ......... in my mind I had a spectrum one hand 12:3 4 ......... super super Chinese on the other hand 12:3 6 ......... super super super position for me I want 12:3 8 ......... to be in the middle and get the best of 12:4 0 ......... both then may be sort of a balance of 12:4 2 ......... British Chinese 12:4 4 ......... and do you feel that your definition of 12:4 6 ......... your identity has changed over time I 12:4 9 ......... think the general position is that we 12:5 1 ......... want to be in between it's sometimes and 12:5 4 ......... mostly by our parents really on the 12:5 6 ......... pressur e to be more Chinese but despite 12:5 8 ......... that aspiration is perhaps to be more 13:0 0 ......... Western more liberal more modern more 13:0 3 ......... free so I think the question isn't about 13:0 5 ......... definition the question is about where 13:0 7 ......... we are and where we want to be and and 13:1 0 ......... do you think that you're being 13:1 3 ......... ethnically Chinese have affected your 13:1 5 ......... life in general in the UK many people 13:1 9 ......... have a pure heritage the heritage from 13:2 1 ......... school for friends outside family and 13:2 4 ......... the heritage from the family itself from 13:2 6 ......... parents grandparents relatives and so on 13:2 8 ......... it gives people a dual identity because 13:3 1 ......... not only for example can I speak English 13:3 3 ......... and also speak Chinese there's one 13:3 6 ......... example how you identities dif ferent 13:3 8 ......... identities different personalities 13:4 0 ......... different languages different 13:4 2 ......... perspectives different understandings of 13:4 4 ......... politics culture history and I think for 13:4 7 ......... me these two identities can coexist they 13:4 9 ......... are not mutua lly exclusive sometimes 13:5 2 ......... they can clash I guess but if you want 13:5 4 ......... to be successful in our family life in a 13:5 6 ......... career with people who have rural

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13:5 7 ......... heritage need to find methods find the 14:0 0 ......... sort of balance synergy harmony between 14:0 2 ......... the two because if you emphasize one 14:0 4 ......... over the other then you have an 14:0 6 ......... imbalance and it's not so good I think 14:0 7 ......... and giving some more specific examples 14:1 1 ......... of that yeah when I was in school when I 14:1 5 ......... was younger when I looked around myself 14:1 7 ......... and looked at my classmates my friends 14:1 9 ......... they were all white they were all 14:2 1 ......... different because as a young child won't 14:2 3 ......... going to be very aware it's a very early 14:2 5 ......... age we're a difference than panel I 14: 2 7 ......... really haven't had that much contact 14:2 9 ......... with British born Chinese or Chinese who 14:3 0 ......... grew up outside China but that changed 14:3 2 ......... when I went to university because I want 14:3 4 ......... around myself and my god they've seen 14:3 7 ......... more Chinese in my life except for in 14:3 9 ......... China perhaps despite the fact that they 14:4 1 ......... looked like me maybe they dress like me 14:4 3 ......... and studied the same citrus as me they 14:4 6 ......... still was very different in the way they 14:4 8 ......... interact the way they behave in p ublic 14:4 9 ......... the way they socialize outside of look 14:5 3 ......... again I thought this is very strange and 14:5 5 ......... there is a steric 14:5 6 ......... these Chinese they always stay in their 14:5 8 ......... own groups they don't integrate with the 15:0 0 ......... society for me at that point I wanted to 15:0 3 ......... exchange with them to explore what their 15:0 6 ......... side of the story was so at that point 15:0 8 ......... in time I became more Chinese than 15:1 0 ......... British began speaking more wondering 15:1 2 ......... more Cantonese going to karaoke rather 15:1 5 ......... than going to the pub those sorts of 15:1 7 ......... small changes and I think fundamentally 15:1 9 ......... as part of the answer to your question 15:2 1 ......... is the people you spend your time with 15:2 3 ......... if you spend time with more Chinese 15:2 5 ......... people than British peo ple 15:2 7 ......... you're going to be doing many things 15:2 8 ......... very differently you socialize 15:3 0 ......... differently you eat differently you 15:3 2 ......... study differently you talk into 15:3 4 ......... different language and you talk about 15:3 6 ......... different topics you have diff erent 15:3 8 ......... social customs the different social 15:3 9 ......... execute you need to observe by making 15:4 2 ......... those small differences you begin to 15:4 3 ......... move towards one side to be more Chinese 15:4 5 ......... whereas if you hang out with more 15:4 7 ......... British people a nd more international 15:4 9 ......... people you move out to be more British 15:5 1 ......... so this is what I mean when I talk about 15:5 4 ......... where we are the spectrum and where we 15:5 6 ......... would like to be in the future such as

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15:5 9 ......... now you refer to some of your Chines e 16:0 1 ......... languages I just wanted us how did you 16:0 3 ......... actually go about learning Mandarin and 16:0 7 ......... Cantonese as well so although my mother 16:0 9 ......... is from mainland in the south of China 16:1 2 ......... many people speak Cantonese my father 16:1 4 ......... because he 's from Hong Kong 16:1 5 ......... of course he speaks Cantonese so her 16:1 8 ......... home I learn Cantonese and Mandarin it 16:2 1 ......... wasn't so natural my parents had sent me 16:2 4 ......... to Saturday schools and as I move 16:2 6 ......... through school my school began offering 16:28 ......... Kali classes so I did not have to go to 16:2 9 ......... Saturday schools anymore because I could 16:3 1 ......... play Chinese in my regular school and 16:3 3 ......... then I continued to study Mandarin in 16:3 5 ......... tea and to what extent do you think that 16:3 9 ......... your language abi lity has affected your 16:4 1 ......... Chinese identity 16:4 3 ......... well in my view it's a method of 16:4 5 ......... expressing ideas I don't think the 16:4 7 ......... method would necessarily affect the idea 16:4 9 ......... the idea is conveyed through the method 16:5 1 ......... or the method is no t influencing the 16:5 3 ......... idea necessarily so I suppose they do 16:5 5 ......... speak more and when I was speaking while 16:5 7 ......... I was in my head rationalizing things in 17:0 0 ......... terms of Chinese culture more so than I 17:0 2 ......... would be if I spoke English suppose in 17:0 4 ......... terms of how my identities 17:0 6 ......... by other people externally people would 17:0 8 ......... say oh look at Jason speaking Chinese is 17:1 1 ......... my baby more Chinese and British and 17:1 3 ......... that may be true but again I would say 17:1 6 ......... it's adjustable it depe nds on moving 17:1 7 ......... it's always moving it depends on what 17:2 0 ......... you do depends on who you meet depends 17:2 3 ......... on if you hang out with so I think 17:2 4 ......... language isn't much of an impact on how 17:2 6 ......... I perceive my identity we could be more 17:2 8 ......... in fluential for people to see them 17:3 0 ......... identity from outside definitely depends 17:3 3 ......... on who you're with where you are and 17:3 4 ......... kind of as does your family do 17:3 8 ......... traditional Chinese activities at home 17:4 0 ......... Federation assessable things we don 't 17:4 3 ......... toss their reports apart my chineseness 17:4 5 ......... but even though they're an important 17:4 7 ......... part of my chineseness they're not an 17:4 9 ......... important part of me in my life there's 17:5 1 ......... a difference there's an important part 17:5 3 ......... of a small part of my life they have 17:5 6 ......... more important to my family who don't 17:5 8 ......... have this other heritage familiar and 18:0 0 ......... out with friends to accompany SEO is 18:0 2 ......... more important than eating dumplings on 18:0 3 ......... mid autumn festival my point is even

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18:0 6 ......... though I celebrate Li to Chinese things 18:0 8 ......... with my family and they are important to 18:1 0 ......... this idea but family being a harmonious 18:1 2 ......... unit I will be fine in grid without them 18:1 5 ......... I think my life will continue and all 18:1 8 ......... members of your family in the UK my 18:2 2 ......... extended family is my brothers younger 18:2 4 ......... brother lives here with us in London my 18:2 6 ......... mother's mother lives here too and some 18:2 8 ......... of the members of my father's extended 18:3 0 ......... family are here to the UK as w ell but 18:3 2 ......... most of them appear in China and Hong 18:3 4 ......... Kong and have you yourself been to China 18:3 7 ......... yes we go there almost area and do you 18:4 2 ......... think to your your future you may end up 18:4 6 ......... in China Hong Kong or state prison all 18:5 0 ......... or under and flow in the world for that 18:5 2 ......... matter in all of them hopefully the next 18:5 4 ......... step is to qualify as a lawyer there are 18:5 6 ......... different areas I'm interested in that 18:5 9 ......... would involve traveling to other 19:0 0 ......... countries such as China Hong Kong one 19:0 2 ......... area for example shipping the trade 19:0 4 ......... trade on Hong Kong where the big players 19:0 6 ......... of the economic stage in the world and 19:0 8 ......... in terms of shipping trade a lot of 19:1 0 ......... legal workers from these area 19:1 1 ......... so yes I hop e to travel there for long 19:1 4 ......... term I don't think I will well work in 19:1 6 ......... law for the rest of my life I want to 19:1 8 ......... have a political career I believed to 19:2 1 ......... increase representation from the British 19:2 3 ......... community British Chinese communi ty it's 19:2 6 ......... important and this is something I would 19:2 8 ......... contribute to you as a potential 19:3 0 ......... decision maker in the future either as 19:3 2 ......... an elected member of parliament or 19:3 3 ......... within the civil service or some other 19:3 5 ......... parts of the p olitical system that's 19:3 8 ......... something really interesting thank you 19:3 9 ......... so much for sharing your story with us 19:4 1 ......... thank you today thank you 19:4 9 ......... [Music] 20:3 3 ......... [Music] 21:1 5 ......... Oh 21:1 8 ......... [Music] 21:4 0 ......... [Music] 21:5 4 ......... [Music] 24:1 6 ......... [Music ]